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F1: Ferrari Tops First Jerez Test Day

Seeded on Wed Dec 6, 2006 2:05 PM EST
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sports, auto-racing, f1, formula1, ferrari, formula-one, grand-prix, motorsport
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Jerez F1 testing times – Tuesday:

1) Massa, Ferrari (B), 1:19.462, 54 laps
2) Badoer, Ferrari (B), 1:19.708, 77
3) Hamilton, McLaren-Mercedes (B), 1:20.245, 79
4) Klien, Honda (B), 1:20.394, 89
5) Montagny, Toyota (B), 1:20.398, 96
6) Davidson, Super Aguri-Honda (B), 1:20.437, 52
7) de la Rosa, McLaren-Mercedes (B), 1:20.442, 65
8) Rossiter, Honda (B), 1:20.725, 103
9) Kovalainen, Renault (B), 1:20.784, 67
10) Webber, Red Bull-Ferrari (B), 1:21.053, 81
11) Kubica, BMW-Sauber (B), 1:21.079, 72
12) Ammermuller, Red Bull-Ferrari (B), 1:21.143, 74
13) Rosberg, Williams-Toyota (B), 1:21.182, 75
14) Fisichella, Renault (B), 1:21.183, 49
15) Hirate, Toyota (B), 1:21.424, 75
16) Liuzzi, Toro Rosso-Cosworth (B), 1:21.472, 96
17) Vettel, BMW-Sauber (B), 1:22.067, 77

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firefly-105658

I can't wait till Kimi starts testing. I very interested in seeing if he had really bad luck at McLaren or if he is over driving his cars.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Dec 6, 2006 3:21 PM EST
gzirra

I'm also very curious to see how Alonso fairs with a new ride and new rubber...

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Wed Dec 6, 2006 4:02 PM EST
Chris Forte

It will be interesting to see how Kimi gets along with testing for Ferrari. Some folks in the F1 circus assert that he's not very valuable as a tester since he just doesn't provide much insightful communication with engineers. I don't know how much truth there is to that, but we should certainly see how much impact he has on car development when the 2007 challenger is being prepared.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Thu Dec 7, 2006 10:35 AM EST
gzirra

True - I don't think he got the nickname "The Iceman" from his fans alone, but that might just be so much F1 gossip.

Schumi's technical insights will certainly be one of the biggest gaps to fill besides that of actual driver.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Thu Dec 7, 2006 10:39 AM EST
Chris Forte

True, Schumacher had an excellent report with the engineers and had great communication with them. But Luca isn't to be discounted, either. There's a reason that Ferrari has stuck with him for so long. He understands how the cars work and knows what the engineers need to know. I'd rate him as one of the finest test drivers in F1, perhaps second only to Wurz.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Thu Dec 7, 2006 11:18 AM EST
gzirra

Dead-on, mate.

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Thu Dec 7, 2006 11:23 AM EST
Jay Butler

McLaren's dismal performance over the past few seasons can be attributed to any number of things. But, I would bet that if JPM and Kimi gave the engineers good feedback, the team would have at least shown some improvement over the years.

It will be interesting to see the trend this season at both Ferrari and McLaren.

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Thu Dec 7, 2006 12:39 PM EST
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Geoff King

The race drivers should not need to provide "feedback" that is what the telemetry is for, also the test drivers. What the race driver provide is a faster lap if the engineers have got the mods right.

    Reply#2 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 1:25 PM EST
    Jay Butler

    To a point that is true. But, each driver has a different style. His feelings and confidence in the car do account for a big part of his ability to push the car to its limits.

    Kimi and JPM had very different setups of the same car. The same was true for Michael and Rubens, Michael and Felipe, Alonso and Fisi and so on. If it were as simple as sending a car out on track and reading the computer data, more teams would be able to improve. McLaren and Williams certainly have similar budgets and resources to Ferrari and Renault. The resource that they were each missing was the Schumacher and Alonso element.

    • 2 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 1:43 PM EST
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    Geoff King

    Sorry dissagree. Car set-up for the driver is done for the race. Anything gained on a test day is fundamentally useless on race day. Thus the race drivers only need to understand the range of set-up variables and then get them changed in race practice. Of course if the car can't be changed to accommodate a particular driver there is a problem but that is a design problem which should have been incorporated when the team knew whow their drivers were, e.g., Williams and Alex for this year or various teams and Gerhard during his career. With regard to the Schumacher and Alonso element Kimi and McLaren would have one the 2005 championship if the car had been reliable, no feedback could have fixed the reliability problems as Mika discovered in 2000.

      Reply#3 - Wed Feb 7, 2007 1:41 PM EST
      gzirra

      Part of the car set-up is for the driver is done for each race, but a lot of set-up is not. Peddle travel length, seat position, mirror position(s), paddle positions, steering wheels (Shumacher had far more controls on his steering wheel than some of his co-drivers specifically so he could further fine-tune his car).

      Of course, each track demands a different set of settings for the cars - A Monte Carlo set-up will not suit a Monza track. But the cars are indeed set up for the driver - if you watched any telemetry read-outs when Schumacher and Alonso were going head to head, you saw two very different driving styles with regard to full throttle/full brake/tc, yet two very competitive cars with very different set-ups to suit their different cars and styles.

      Take Ruebens and Jenson - those cars are set up very differently due to their styles - and Ruebens didn't get his car settled til much later in the season - but when he did, he was far more competitive. A simple thing like the distance it takes to take the gas pedal from idle to full throttle varies wildly between all the drivers, as each like to lay on the power in different methods.

      With regard to the Schumacher and Alonso element Kimi and McLaren would have one the 2005 championship if the car had been reliable, no feedback could have fixed the reliability problems as Mika discovered in 2000.

      One of the things Ferrari may miss most is Schumacher's feedback (and originally his demand that he had a car that could finish the race) - it not only made their race car more reliable, it did dramatic things for their retail autos and reliability reputation as well.

      Anything gained on a test day is fundamentally useless on race day.

      Someone should tell the manufacturers to stop burning that money testing and give it to me.

      • 2 votes
      #3.1 - Wed Feb 7, 2007 5:41 PM EST
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      Geoff King

      If the race drivers feedback is so critical why do teams run test drivers who have different driving styles to the race drivers and any set-up changes they implement will not be a benefit to the racers. Of course the race driver has to get the car to his liking but that is for his improvement. The performance improvements to the basic car don't need the race drivers input if the team has good testers.

        Reply#4 - Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:02 AM EST
        Jay Butler

        why do teams run test drivers

        There are a number of reasons that the teams employ test drivers:
        * To get more miles on the car. This gives them more information and driver feedback.
        * To test modifications to the car. Sometimes the race drivers are unavailable to test every mod during the season. They may already be at the race when a problem is identified. Engineers at the factory and the test drivers will be able to run a mod through some testing before sending it out to the track.
        * To be a substitute driver should one of the primary drivers not be able to race. Seat time is critical to being able to get into the car and be fast.

        Sure, there is plenty of information that the teams can get from computers or test drivers. But, there is no substitute for feedback from the guys that are actually pushing the cars to the limit.

        As gzirra noted, each driver has a different style that plays a big role in car setup and performance. F1 Racing magazine ran an article a few years back about Ferrari. The team provided the magazine with the telemetry from one complete race lap. There was an unbelievable contrast between the two drivers. When they got on the gas. How much throttle. When they braked. How much throttle the kept during braking. Etc, etc.

        • 2 votes
        #4.1 - Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:29 AM EST
        gzirra

        The test drivers are testing far different things during different testing conditions - during race weekends, they're mainly testing four main components for the cars' setups for that specific track:

        1. tire conditions
        2. downforce conditions
        3. the track's level of grip/road surface attributes
        4. how different fuel loads affect all those other attributes so the team can plan their fuel strategy.

        The better teams know exactly how to translate those test results into each driver's setup.

        They run the test drivers during the rest of the year and during non-race weekends to test a host of items - the reliability of the transmission, the drive train, the engine and its durability, how long the engine can sustain a "pushed" or maxed-out RPM load before things go Ka-blammo, brake durability, new aerodynamic winglets, a part that failed during the last race (think the locking wheel nut that failed on Alonso) etc. etc.

        A simulation test of engine load will give you an idea of how hard you can push it, but to date even the best simulators cannot accurately recreate the effects that track conditions and g-force loads have on the cars.

        • 2 votes
        #4.2 - Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:30 AM EST
        Jay Butler

        go Ka-blammo

        Are you auditioning for a place in the Speed TV booth? That is a pretty good David Hobbs impression...

        • 2 votes
        #4.3 - Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:52 AM EST
        gzirra

        You have to love the Ka-blammo. (Although, I prefer Mr. Matchett's Ka-blammo to Mr. Hobbs'.)

        • 2 votes
        #4.4 - Thu Feb 8, 2007 11:34 AM EST
        Jay Butler

        Matchett's is more of a "Ker-Blammo".

        39 days until Melbourne.

        • 2 votes
        #4.5 - Thu Feb 8, 2007 12:21 PM EST
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